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2004-11-15 17:12:22 |
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跟贴：小笨同志: 没说到点子上，除了楼上sk的问题之外，水下的情况怎么样？恐怕这才是大家最关心的问题，请跟大伙儿说说。
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跟贴：CC一直在海南做项目,中间有空也去潜水,几个地方总结如下
分界洲,
优点:因为近和有些熟悉了,这半年里不同的月份去了3次,潜水5瓶,感觉分界洲是越来越好了.最初水的能见度可以但鱼和珊瑚很少,最近一次10天前去的,已经有很多鱼了,包括狮子鱼和海鳗小丑鱼等,其实沉船和飞机作为人造载体是好的,第一次去,觉得人造载体很生硬,现在因为水下锈蚀已经看上去很古老了,而且鱼的习性关系,里面已经有不少鱼以船为家拉,不过要记得带潜水灯才好,因为环球是PADI的第一家店,做做样子也要开些另类项目 ,比如沉船\探洞\峭壁潜水等,但这些因为大都在16-20米左右,一般很少对团队客人开放,有证潜友有福了,底下破坏不厉害,软体珊瑚已经生长的越来越好了,欣慰欣慰,
缺点:水下有些浑浊,可能是天气关系,有浪的天,16米以下清晰度不够.个别设备不是很好,要自己去挑,我一般找200的气(潜水时间有个体和深度差异我觉得说起来意思不大),但上次潜水教练的表就是坏的,有自己设备的尽管用自己的,俱乐部报价不低但旅行社和酒店都有底价,一般200多,
蜈之洲岛:
优点,个人认为是三亚潜点中水最清的,鱼不算很多,但水清晰最好了,珊瑚还可以
缺点:同样致命,不许用自己的设备,上次我一再说那么远带了的,又是有AOW证的,也不行,回答很夸张,统一规定,因为如果你出危险他们的统一服装看的清楚,可以及时救你,
百福湾:
水况不错,水下生物要看时间,上次因为刚刮过台风,珊瑚有些整个断掉倒扣在海底很可惜,不过当时是熟人带去才让穿脚蹼,否则也不让我用,最好先问好,价格始终是个问题,这里主要是酒店客人的所谓精品潜水,不知道底价,但400似乎贵了,一天2潜就不少米,
大东海:
总是想起看到人头攒动的灾难场面,虽然体验潜水不发蛙鞋,但那么多人次下去,基本把珊瑚踩烂鱼吓跑了,不说也罢(当然,大东海也有到别的潜点的精品潜水,这样的好点,但后来我再没去过)
以上是我这2年在海南潜水的感受,也去过菲律宾和巴厘岛等地,感觉国内大概只有西沙可以同这些地方一拼了,再不能出去的时候,至少找个相对还可以的地方保持状态吧,
本来早就想回帖,但后来发现这里演变类似大专辩论会一样的战场,大家都是热爱潜水的人,应该有海一样的胸襟,少打口水仗多交流实用信息不是更好吗
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2004-11-15 21:27:31 |
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跟贴：一直看到境外潜友发布的海南潜水报告。我自己看的时候多多少少心里都不是滋味，或许之中有夸大其词的成分。我作了一些节录，希望熟悉海南潜水状况的潜友仔细研读，如果发现其中与事实不符合，希望能据理力争，帮大家争一口气。
”Hi,
I have been in Haiman last Dec. The experience of my diving was bad. The diving agent in the Island ( West Island ) and the resort are very in-professional.
I would perfer to goto Philipinnes or Thailand rather than to Haiman for diving.
Anthony
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”Translate from a post on diving in Sanya of H...
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Translate from a post on diving in Sanya of Hainan Island at a local diver forum in Hong Kong:
"I was in Sanya in early 2002. Sanya is a strategic location for the diving industry in China. Water quality is OK and UW visibility in general is 10-15M on averge. Don't expect to see a lot of aquatic life and corals. I think it is due to the heavy commercial fishing around the coast of South China and the lack of environmental protection initiatives.
Different dive shops occupy different diving spots around the island which make it quite confusing. Because tourism is the main business on the island. the most popular diving package offer on the island is "Discover Scuba Diving". But frequently this deter the tourist from the sport after the "discovery" dive. There had been vey few serious diving and also not very welcome on the island..."
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I finally made it to Hainan Island in the south of China. I had read an article in Asian Diver magazine a few years ago that downplayed the diving in Hainan but offered that a diving experience could be had there. Otherwise information on diving in Hainan is sorely lacking. Even the information provided on the Net is scarce.
The Asian Diver article didn¡¯t do justice to Hainan¡¯s diving. In fact they overdid it. It is absolutely the worst diving I have done anywhere and I have dived quite a few countries. Hainan¡¯s diving is located in the southern part of the island near the city of Sanya. A major dive setup is located on a nearby island of Sidao (West Island). Before crossing the short body of water to West Island people are required to queue in a long procession; you are made to weave through the many turnstiles before finally entering a speedboat for the quick trip over to the island. On West Island the process begins over again, what I liken to, cattle-car diving.
Everyone is basically a first time diver. Chinese seem to believe that Hainan is the Chinese equivalent of the Great Barrier Reef and indeed they do advertise it as such. The advertisements are blatant lies featuring crystal clear waters with pasted in tropical creatures.
Well, of course, I was not interested in an introductory dive but I saw on the price board that they had deep diving. Okay, I thought, I'll go for that. I asked if it was a boat dive and they replied in the affirmative. Turns out it was a 2-minute boat trip over to a platform just offshore. The maximum depth turned out to be 12 meters and I went along with this because from what little I could see underwater (absolutely maximum viz was 2 meters) below 12 meters was just sand.
Above 12 meters were a few dead lumps of coral with heavy algal growth. Fish life was sparse. I saw one lionfish, a few squirrelfish, one flounder, one small grouper (that made the dive guide have an orgasm). The dive guide was most irritating. As many may know, the Chinese have another concept about how animals should be treated; well, this guide insisted on picking everything up like a starfish and one time he had even captured an anemonefish inside his garden-gloved hands. For me this was just plain ignorance. The guy kept bumping into me constantly though I signalled him many times to give me space to kick freely. The shallow dive ended after 42 minutes because the guide bled his tank dry. The tanks were only filled to 150 PSI to start.
Running out of air is especially unpleasant since the rental gear features no octopus. My dive guide was on his own but in shallow water. There is no discount for using your own equipment. The rental equipment is no-name brands and I mean this literally. I could not find a brand name on the BCDs, wetsuits, or regs. Also you will need to add on a few sizes to what you would normally wear. E.g., I usually use a Scubapro BCD size M but in Hainan I used an XL and it just fit me.
As for other diving, I was told Yalong Bay was better but after going there I could see that Yalong Bay was more of the same. I eyeballed the situation there and asked where the boat was going to. The guide pointed to a nearby island. Maximum depth was to be 12 meters again. No thanks. I only considered it because I was stuck on a beach and had 3 1/2 hrs to kill in a scorching sun.
Hainan diving ¨C forget it!
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I went to Hainan because the travel agent assured me the summer season there would be untroubled by typhoons. I was aware that in Vietnam this was a season not to dive.
Everyday I was there was calm and clear and the days preceeding my arrival were reported to be calm. So I can only assume that untoward weather conditions did not influence the diving much although seasonal currents might have affected the diving conditions.
Nevertheless if the viz had been better (and the viz is not overly important consideration in my assessment of a dive) the dive would still have been a disaster because the coral was sparse, covered in tattered nets, and dead. The algal growth on the coral was one of the few signs of life on the dive. Fish life was equally sparse although I did spot a ghost pipefish dancing between the spines of a sea urchin.
I'm interested to see if talltex111 has better luck. I hope he does but I sure wouldn't recommend Hainan to anyone as a dive destination."
"Sanya in Hainan Island China
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It took me some 3.5 years of living and diving in China to get myself dwn to Hainan.
For those of you that can not place Hainan on the map - it is the big Island to the south of China.
Hainan is considered (rightfully so) to be the Thailand of China, and to justify this Holiday Inn, Hyatt, Marriot, Sheraton ... all have come here.
So far for the environs .. now for diving.
I arrived Sanya on some business issues and expected a "close to" Thailand experience.
It is not.
For the Hainan diving industry guys everyone is basically a first time diver. Chinese (as I said above) seem to believe that Hainan is the Chinese equivalent of Thailand or the Great Barrier Reef and indeed they do advertise it as such. The advertisements are blatant lies featuring crystal clear waters with pasted in tropical creatures.
Well, of course, I was not interested in an introductory dive but I saw on the price board that they had deep diving.
Nonetheless, I was in Hainan with a group of work coleagues and escorted them off to the place where thsi is done.
If you have been (once in your life) to a factory assembly line (imagine Fort model-T factory) this is what they have there. Groups of tourists (mostly Chinese) arrive there and pay 500 RMB (about $60USD) per head for the chance to be dragged 50 meters from the rocky shore in an old wet suit, no fins, and be pushed under water to see nothing.
Okay, I thought, I'll go for the deep dive, this might be better. I asked if it was a boat dive and they replied in the affirmative. Turns out it was a 2-minute boat trip over to a platform just offshore. The maximum depth turned out to be 12 meters and I went along with this because from what little I could see underwater (absolutely maximum viz was 2 meters) below 12 meters was just sand.
Above 12 meters were a few dead lumps of coral with heavy algal growth. Fish life was sparse.
There is no discount for using your own equipment. The rental equipment is no-name brands and I mean this literally. I could not find a brand name on the BCDs, wetsuits, or regs. Also you will need to add on a few sizes to what you would normally wear. E.g., I usually use a Scubapro BCD size L but in Hainan I used an XL and it was too small.
As for other diving, I was told Yalong Bay was better but after going there I could see that Yalong Bay was more of the same. I eyeballed the situation there and asked where the boat was going to. The guide pointed to a nearby island. Maximum depth was to be 12 meters again. No thanks.
Dolevr
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Just got back from "diving" in Yalong Bay. I was introduced to the first dive site by the hotel guest relations officer as the "best dive site" in Sanya. It was a 15 min boat ride from the holiday Inn. I brought my fins and mask, but no BC nor Reg. When I reach the dive site, it was actually quite pleasant. Viz was about 10m. My BC and Reg was already rigged up. I have told them before hand to make sure I have an octopus and to my surprise there was one! However, on closer inspection I found that my octopus did not have a mouth piece and the it was not even working! So much for alternates! When I asked the "instructor" he told me they only dive with one reg as their boss thinks it is a waste of money to have additional regs. I strapped up and did a back roll into the water. After a 1 min wait, I grew impatient and decided to descend without the "instructor". 5 mins later he came in and had to ascend to get his weight belt!! I must the viz is Ok and the hard corals healthy. However, there were no fish! Since we did not have a banger, I had on one occassion tugged at the "ihstructors" eg to get his attention and to my horror, he nearly died in fear as though he is about to be eated by a white pointer. Since it is a shallow dive (13 m Max) with a inital air pressure of 2100psi, I decided to take it easy and dive as long as the air can take me (after all I spend about USD$60 for the dive)! After about 70 mins, the "instructor" ran out of air and had to ascend. Since we are in shallow waters (5m), I decided just to follow him to find the boat with him on the surface. 10 mins later I ascended.
All in all, I would say it is as good as it gets in China. After all the dive industry is very young. If you want to do ANY serious and safe diving. Forget it! They cater mainly for the first time divers and make money out of "discovery scuba dive"! They are not interested in catering to the serious diver as they do not make money here and they know that they will get lots of criticism, so why bother!
Jimmy
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2004-11-16 01:09:58 |
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跟贴：cc10同志批评得很对，在论坛上应该多交流潜水信息和体会，少没事儿撑的绕弯子纠正别人的口误。
海南的潜水现状也是一种很无奈的情况，完全是受市场条件制约的。毕竟，休闲潜水业的发展需要有经济基础的支撑。象三亚小东海每天上百辆旅游大巴拉来“海底漫步”的那些游客，我敢说百分之百都没有潜水证，也许百分之九十九都不会再去第二次。所以从他们身上一次性能“榨出”多少是多少，不满意？不愿再来？没关系。中国那么多人呢，不怕。每个人轮着来一遍，就已经发横财了。这就是海南潜水业经营者们的真实心态。一位老总曾亲口对我说：
“要是做你们这些有证潜水人的生意，提供想国外那种水平的服务，那我们还不赔死？。我们的商业模式就是薄利多销，做低端市场。”
他让我算两笔帐：
每天服务20位有证的潜水员，每人收费500元
每天带1000人“海底漫步”，每人仅收100元（其中10元返给旅行社的导游）
要是您的话，您选哪个呢？
这就是目前海南潜水业的商业模式。
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跟贴：感谢CC10同志提供的专业信息，感概Richard的分析。
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2004-11-17 22:49:03 |
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跟贴：黑人你好!抱歉这几天没法上网，没能及时答复。
其实，我们大家的初衷都一样：严肃、认真、正确、安全的进行这项我们都热
爱的活动。所以，我认为在纠正或者说教导其他人时（作为专业的教练，在教
学员的时候更）应该在将自己真正学到的，正确的科学的东西传授给大家，而
不是道听途说，一知半解的东西。
有关纯氧，我们的确在用，如果你认为不妥，也没有问题，我们一样会用下去。
而技术潜水所用的富氧，不仅仅局限于30%、36%, 它要根据深度、氧分压、
减压时间等等条件，从21%至100%按需配置使用。
另外，我想你是否应该对你的教练所提到的“4米以内是安全的”进行进一步的
学习了解。如果你对技术潜水上有关氧的使用，乃至对技术潜水感兴趣，我非常
愿意给你一些建议。（有关技术潜水的相关组织、课程及认证等等。）
最后还想冒昧的请教一下，您的PADI教练资格是否是从CMAS教练转考的？
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跟贴：刚刚又看到一篇俄罗斯潜友发布的海南潜水报告，不过只有几天前他在三亚潜水，看上去应该是环球的分界洲（沉船潜和峭壁潜？）。报告虽然看上去客观，但非常不客气（”It was not actually diving-这不是真正的潜水“）。
海南的潜水行业发展从某种程度而言非常成功，至少从每年的尝试潜水的人数上，世界上几乎没有第二个地方可以和海南相比。但为什么一直看到被国外潜友有意无意妖魔化的评论呢。
报告者是esunin，如果有人想回应这个报告，可以发送到这个连接。
http://www.scubaboard.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=31737
I just now came back from China. Despite the notice about the inanity of diving at Hainan I decided to try. All turned out to be so as I supposed. As the guide said, it would be the best dive sight at Hainan ? the small island in 100 km to the east of Sania（三亚？）. So, there were only one thing in English ? the price, but nobody could speak English. I paid 60USD for “Wreck dive” and 50USD for “Wall dive”. Having put on suits we (I and my buddy) took a small boat and went to the barge. Another four guys with equipment got in the boat. First dive was a wreck -
the small boat at a depth of 18 metres ? deepest sight at the island. The second place turned out to be the rocks lied 5-7 m beneath the surface. No fish, no corals, low visibility ? max 3 m., only national language, certification does not need. Ultimately, diving at Hainan is possible, but very expensive, quite safe, a bit funny. It was not actually diving, it was like a show to understand better the Chinese culture and special climate of the Asian country.
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2004-11-18 13:07:41 |
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跟贴：哈哈，虽说"No fish, no corals, low visibility"用于整个海南潜水有些言过其辞，但我也颇有同感。
我的评论是"Little fish, few corals, low visibility most of the time"
象前面已经说过的那样，“海南潜水游”的市场定位与国际上通常所说的“休闲潜水”(recreational diving)的市场定位压根儿就不是一回事！尽管某些潜水俱乐部也照猫画虎地弄些高端器材、沉条船、造点儿景（国人一向善于此道），再使点儿钱把PADI搞定，拿个什么加盟之类的资格，加上小广告一打，便俨然以“国际水准的潜水俱乐部”自居。
不错，这些潜水俱乐部是有钱，买岛圈地、大兴土木，砸进去很多钱，但对那些习惯了国际潜水/旅游服务的潜友们（不仅仅是老外）来说，仍然是not actually diving。
海南潜水业从业人员们所理解的“潜水”就是这个水平。
想起若干年前去国内某“著名滑雪场”滑雪，要坐毛驴拉的车爬到山顶。
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2004-11-18 13:09:32 |
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跟贴：Kevin: 终于浮出水面啦？都准备联系DAN了。
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跟贴：看过国外的评论，我很想反驳，但是，我也觉得，其实海南潜水确实存在上面说的这些问题.出去过的潜水人都看的到差距，我们也是在无奈地接受替补潜水方案.国内庞大的体验群很多时候满足的是一种失重体验，其实这真的不能叫潜水
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